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[mamesh]

Al Salm Alykom.

Dears brothers and sisters,

Currently I live in Cairo, Egypt I am married and have two children 10 years old girl and 7 years old boy.
I’m planning to immigrant and relocate in Melbourne, one part of my plan is to gather some useful information which will help me doing will.
Brothers and sister I will be appreciated very much if you can provide me with the following:
- What is the best place to live in Melbourne considering these “ contains a lot of Muslims people; Masjeds; good schools and suitable cost”
- What about employment opportunities for “IT Manager” in Melbourne; what is the difficulty to find a job in Melbourne; what is the best exercise to find a job ASAP.
Waiting to hear from you.

Respects,

[caller]

wa alaykum salaam wa rahmatullah.

i strongly advise you brother to reconsider your idea to move to australia, or any western country for that matter and bringing your family here.

was salaam

[mamesh]

Al Salam Alykom

Thank you very much my brother for your reply which contains little words and great advice.
My brother, I will be appreciated if you could provide me with the answering of my last inquiries.
ان الله فى عون العبد ما كان العبد فى عون أخيه

Respects,

[mumof4bubs!]

alsalamu alaikum,

are u Egyptian?
are u a brother or a sister?

sorry 4 the q's

[aussiemu]

assalamu alaikum

welcome to the forum.

I'd say for best area you'd be looking at Northern Melbourne suburbs - fawkner, glenroy, broadmeadows, meadow heights, roxburgh park, campbellfield, coburg etc.

Not sure about jobs but a good Australian job site is www.seek.com.au

may Allah give you what is best for you and your family.

wassalamu alaikm

[mamesh]

Al Salam Alykom

Thank you for your questions.
Yes sister, I’m Egyptian brother; married and have two children.
We are (me and my wife) always sharing together browsing this great website.
Please advise us, Hope to hear from you.
ربنا آتنا في الدنيا حسنة وفي الآخرة حسنة وقنا عذاب النار

Respects,

[mamesh]

Al salam Alykom

Thank you very much answering my inquiry.
yesterday,found a very useful video Lecture titled "How to live in Australia as a Muslim".
kindly, I invite all brothers and sisters to watch this Lecture, the URL is:

http://www.iisna.com/?id=250

OR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvQg...layer_embedded

أحب الناس الى الله تعالى انفعهم للناس

Respects,

[Allah (swt) Knows Best]

Originally Posted by caller

wa alaykum salaam wa rahmatullah.

i strongly advise you brother to reconsider your idea to move to australia, or any western country for that matter and bringing your family here.

was salaam

Gosh! Why post this?
Seriously...I have no doubt you yourself are here by choice.

I say this as both a Muslim brother and an Australian - I love Australia.

The brother obviously has his reasons to want to move here, give him something of use and construction to work with, not such discouragement and if you can't do that, the answer is to not post.

This country could always use more brothers and sisters to help us make a difference and spread the deen insha'Allah, and is not a bad place overall.

Ahkee, Mamesh - I personally would listen to caller's 'advice' last in this thread, but that's just me.

[caller]

how many people become muslim compared to how many of our children and even adults are corrupted and lost?

this is their system, even if we apparently have religious freedom their system is cosmetically and (for some) philosophically more appealing so they embrace it in various ways, most, if not all, will harden the heart, their system is made that way, we can take a couple of them, but they will take many more even the kids.

and as for spreading the deen and doing dawah we need quality, motivated (preferably multi lingual, at least english/arabi) masheikh and tuwaylibul ilm, not normal muslims who will struggle along like the rest of us in this western consumer feudal slavery.

i ask Allah to free us from bondage to the creation.

and Allah knows best.

[Allah (swt) Knows Best]

So what is it that keeps you here?
Are you somehow bound?

I mean, if it's so bad here...
Ya Allah, I just don't get it, ahkee.

I personally am very happy in Australia. It' sthe land I was born in, the land I embraced the deen in, and insha'Allah the land I will raise pious children in.

I'd blame the lack of outreach as a collective (from within the Ummah outwardly) before I blame the society we should be aiming to influence. I'd blame parental approach and complacency, for the youth losing the deen.

[UmmRasheed]

It is not a matter of being 'bad' here. I was born here, grew up here, my mum and dad and around 3 generations were born here, the lifestyle is easy, not too much to worry about.

I think caller was writing about how this society affects our eman, our ummah collectively ect.

I do ask, why are you here caller? i do know of some teaching position in a Muslim country!

[Allah (swt) Knows Best]

Originally Posted by UmmRasheed

I think caller was writing about how this society affects our eman, our ummah collectively ect.

Personally I see things the opposite to Caller.
I have to say, seeing the non-Muslims around me and their sheer ignorance for what is right just makes things more and more confirmed for me. Noty only this, but our points are made easy to argue for us, even within a secular context. Alhamdulillah!
Take pubbing and clubbing for instance, I see reason to not do it, and have no compulsion to, regardless of what my peers are doing.
Allah (swt) has set out each of his laws with a reason, this is honestly all you need to know. In most cases the Earthly repercussions are clear and using commonsense can be seen anyhow.

May Allah (swt) guide us all. Ameen.

Mamesh, if you are planning on moving to Melbourne, insha'Allah hit me up and I'll make an effort to come on in and see you.

[mamesh]

Originally Posted by Allah (swt) Knows Best

Mamesh, if you are planning on moving to Melbourne, insha'Allah hit me up and I'll make an effort to come on in and see you.

Thank You My Brother,See you in Melbourne insha'Allah.
Respects,

[Allah (swt) Knows Best]

Insha'Allah.

[Palo $oldier]

salam and welcome 2 the forum

[caller]

ahh the long expected default response of "why are you here then?"

Allah knows my situation, my yearning to be somewhere else, and it keeps me alive.

[Allah (swt) Knows Best]

May allah (swt) make it easy for you to be where you yearn to be ahkee. Ameen.

But at the end of the day, Mamesh has his reasons to want to be in Australia, obviously. Let's be supportive of our brother insha'Allah.

[Abul Hasan As Sumaali]

as brother Caller said adviced, i advice you to seriously really seriously consider coming here with your family.

i have seen couple of families who came from egypt, there children were maashaa Allaah so religious you dont understand, and they were memorizing Qur'aan, and now they are diong Drugs. I am not saying that how your family will be. may Allaah bless your family and save them from the trap of Shaytaan.

but know yaa akhi the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alayhi wasallam said

" Kulukum raa3 wa kulukum mas2oolun 3an ra3iyyatihi"

if your children wal 3iyaadu billaah, mess up, know that it will be your responsibility.

and also Allaah 3azza wajal warned severely against living amongst the lands of the Mushrikeen.
Allaah says

إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ تَوَفَّٮٰهُمُ ٱلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕكَةُ ظَالِمِىٓ أَنفُسِہِمۡ قَالُواْ فِيمَ كُنتُمۡ*ۖ قَالُواْ كُنَّا مُسۡتَضۡعَفِينَ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ*ۚ قَالُوٓاْ أَلَمۡ تَكُنۡ أَرۡضُ ٱللَّهِ وَٲسِعَةً۬ فَتُہَاجِرُواْ فِيہَا*ۚ فَأُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ مَأۡوَٮٰهُمۡ جَهَنَّمُ*ۖ وَسَآءَتۡ مَصِيرًا (٩٧) إِلَّا ٱلۡمُسۡتَضۡعَفِينَ مِنَ ٱلرِّجَالِ وَٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلۡوِلۡدَٲنِ لَا يَسۡتَطِيعُونَ حِيلَةً۬ وَلَا يَہۡتَدُونَ سَبِيلاً۬ (٩٨) فَأُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ عَسَى ٱللَّهُ أَن يَعۡفُوَ عَنۡہُمۡ*ۚ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ عَفُوًّا غَفُورً۬ا (٩٩) ۞ وَمَن يُہَاجِرۡ فِى سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ يَجِدۡ فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ مُرَٲغَمً۬ا كَثِيرً۬ا وَسَعَةً۬*ۚ وَمَن يَخۡرُجۡ مِنۢ بَيۡتِهِۦ مُهَاجِرًا إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِۦ ثُمَّ يُدۡرِكۡهُ ٱلۡمَوۡتُ فَقَدۡ وَقَعَ أَجۡرُهُ ۥ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ*ۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا

in translation
"Verily! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): "In what (condition) were you?" They reply: "We were weak and oppressed on earth." They (angels) say: "Was not the earth of Allâh spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?" Such men will find their abode in Hell - What an evil destination![] (97) Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way. (98) These are they whom Allâh is likely to forgive them, and Allâh is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving. (99) He who emigrates (from his home) in the Cause of Allâh, will find on earth many dwelling places and plenty to live by. And whosoever leaves his home as an emigrant unto Allâh and His Messenger, and death overtakes him, his reward is then surely incumbent upon Allâh. And Allâh is Ever Oft¬Forgiving, Most Merciful. (100)"

Surah An Nisaa':97-100.

also Imaam Ibn Hajar al 3asqalaani mentiones in his famous book Baluuqul maraam in Kitaabul Jihaad that the Messenger of Allaah sallahu alayhi wasallam said " أنا بريء من كل مسلم يقيم بين أظهر المشركين ."
translation :"I am free of every Muslim who lives among the Musrikeen."

Ibn Hajar mentioned in Baluuqul maraam, it is narrated by Trimidhi and Sheikh Al Albaani declared it to be Hasan in his Silsilah No:636 Volume: 2 Page: 227

[saif]

There is an Egyptian who came here a couple of years ago to live in my area whilst studying, and he seems to have gone nuts. Recently he has been stealing from the mosque and destroying property of the mosque. He has burned $50,000 since arriving.

When he arrived, everyone thought he seemed normal, in the last few months he has gone off the rails.

One thing I have noticed about Egyptian families here in Australia is that those children brought by their parents end up hardly ever coming to the masjid. The old Egyptians come to the masjid every now and again, but those under 40 years old are rarely seen.

It is not just Egyptians. I am aware of many Somali, Lebanese, Ethiopians, Turkish, Bosnian, Albanian, Pakistani, and Saudi youths who are involved in drinking alcohol, nightclubbing, illicit sexual relations, and drug dealing. Some of them have religious parents.

A muslim should think very carefully before bringing their children to Western country. I would say do it only if there is a great need.

A person who brings children to this country needs to be vigilant against the many corrupting influences (which foreigners often do not fully understand).

[Allah (swt) Knows Best]

Oh brother...

Saif and Abul Hasan As Sumaali. I'd look at the families and people themselves before I start blaming society.
When you have to blame society for your actions or the actions of others, you're making excuses for their or your short comings. When you're making excuses and copping out by blaming others or a collective, it shows no intention to change because it's 'not your/their fault'.

Little life lesson for you brothers - We are responsible for ourselves. We can never trust another human to fully take care of us and nurture us. We all have choices, some of us make the right ones, some make the wrong ones and fall into bad habits. When we fall into bad habits, it's up to us to seek Allah's (swt) forgiveness and leave the bad habits (and we can only do this consciously). No one's going to leave the bad habits for us. No one can make us, it's upto us to make du3a for Allah (swt) to make it easy and take the appropriate actions!
This could happen here, or ANYWHERE in the world. The same problems exist everywhere, it's just in some places they are better hidden.

That's the long and short of it. Like it or lump it.

Again, the brother obviously has come here seeking advice from us about living an Islamic lifestyle in Australia, so why don't we just put away the boogeyman stories and actually give him some contructive advice.
I don't know WHY on EARTH this needs to be said, but the man is an adult, and can make his own choices. The man is a parent, and insha'Allah his children will be pious. The man is a husband, and can insha'Allah keep his wife happy. What I'm telling you, is he has his reasons, and we have no right to pass judgement upon him, or tell him he's making a mistake, and if you really think so, then you being in Australia and raising a family here must be (whether present or in the future insha'Allah) a mistake in itself on your heads.

May Allah (swt) grant us all what's best. Ameen.

Ahkee Mamesh. I seriously urge you to look past the posts by these brothers, as on the whole, I personally would label them quite sensationalist at best.

When do you plan on coming to Australia, insha'Allah?